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Post by mley1 on Apr 2, 2014 10:11:58 GMT -5
With the Governor's letter, basically saying that we can't comply fully with the PREA standards as they are written, what do ya'll think happens next? Will the federal government drop it's nuts and attempt to force Texas, and other states, to comply with the standard on cross gender viewing? And, if Texas fails to comply, what do you think the consequences will be? Do we REALLY need PREA?? Do ya'll think our current Safe Prison Program is sufficient?
Lots of questions above. I'm sure interested to hear what ya'll on the front lines have to say about it.
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Post by blomejj on Apr 2, 2014 10:52:37 GMT -5
You got that right. PREA and the safe prisons programs fail to consider the a very large number of inmates and guards continue to be closet homosexuals. An insignificant number or guards get cured by their pastors. Fred Phelps Senior passed recently. oo
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Post by accussedsnitchgp11 on Apr 2, 2014 11:43:56 GMT -5
Many Years of Costly Litigation.. Neither Program is Sufficient simply because neither program provides the Funding for the Actual Number of Officers required to even attempt to Achieve the Goals of the Programs.
100% Staffing of Same Sex Staffing is Not Possible on Units Male or Female Attempting to Achieve it will result in many Discrimination Lawsuits from Staff..Why Don't I a Male Officer who Has to Work harder than a Female on a Male Unit receive more Pay...I am Discriminated as a Female because I can not Promote to SGT/(what ever Rank) on a Unit...yall get the Picture.
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Post by BoBoTheBeatenJr on Apr 2, 2014 12:55:13 GMT -5
Many Years of Costly Litigation.. Neither Program is Sufficient simply because neither program provides the Funding for the Actual Number of Officers required to even attempt to Achieve the Goals of the Programs. 100% Staffing of Same Sex Staffing is Not Possible on Units Male or Female Attempting to Achieve it will result in many Discrimination Lawsuits from Staff..Why Don't I a Male Officer who Has to Work harder than a Female on a Male Unit receive more Pay...I am Discriminated as a Female because I can not Promote to SGT/(what ever Rank) on a Unit...yall get the Picture. And what about the transexuals who the feds say we have to recognize and work around?
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Post by mley1 on Apr 2, 2014 13:16:34 GMT -5
And, now ya'll are getting the picture. The feds have dug us a hole, and we can't climb out of it. It began with the Coble case, in which the court said we must provide equal opportunity for females on male units. We couldn't discriminate against them on job assignments or promotions. That got the ball rolling. I remember on Ramsey when we got the first female officers there. Initially, a male officer had to escort them anywhere they went past the control picket. Now, females can run any farm they want to.
Enter PREA. Now the federal government says females MUST NOT view a naked offender, at all, period. Imagine that. It doesn't matter that females have been running male prisons since the mid 80's. It doesn't matter how good a job they've done, or not done. The federal government now says there shall be no cross gender viewing of any nudity. So, think of all the camera's, places we must do strip searches, places where offenders will be naked at some point in the day, and then how many female staff members will be in area's subject to viewing them. You can begin to see the complexity, and enormity of this problem.
My guess is there will be a test of wills between the states and the federal government on the matter. And, my guess is also that since it would affect the equal and fair treatment of females in the work place that there will be lawsuits, and a federal court will have to make a decision on the matter. It will definitely be interesting. And, the story is not over. This is just the beginning.
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Post by BoBoTheBeatenJr on Apr 2, 2014 15:28:37 GMT -5
And, now ya'll are getting the picture. The feds have dug us a hole, and we can't climb out of it. It began with the Coble case, in which the court said we must provide equal opportunity for females on male units. We couldn't discriminate against them on job assignments or promotions. That got the ball rolling. I remember on Ramsey when we got the first female officers there. Initially, a male officer had to escort them anywhere they went past the control picket. Now, females can run any farm they want to. Enter PREA. Now the federal government says females MUST NOT view a naked offender, at all, period. Imagine that. It doesn't matter that females have been running male prisons since the mid 80's. It doesn't matter how good a job they've done, or not done. The federal government now says there shall be no cross gender viewing of any nudity. So, think of all the camera's, places we must do strip searches, places where offenders will be naked at some point in the day, and then how many female staff members will be in area's subject to viewing them. You can begin to see the complexity, and enormity of this problem. My guess is there will be a test of wills between the states and the federal government on the matter. And, my guess is also that since it would affect the equal and fair treatment of females in the work place that there will be lawsuits, and a federal court will have to make a decision on the matter. It will definitely be interesting. And, the story is not over. This is just the beginning. The feds will eventually win in a test of wills and in the end we tax payers will bare the financial costs. And are those weener shy female CO's the same female CO's who are banging their supervisors in a store room while at work?
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Post by mley1 on Apr 2, 2014 15:53:05 GMT -5
Banging their supervisors in the store rooms??? Heck Bobo, in all the years I was a supervisor I never once had a female employee proposition me for sex, or anything else. Not ever. Course I'm happily married. That may have had something to do with their lack of interest. Not to mention I'm a bald ugly dude. But, dang, it would have been nice to tell one NO, just one time. U know, feel like I was a stud muffin, like you!!!!
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Post by BoBoTheBeatenJr on Apr 3, 2014 11:07:17 GMT -5
Banging their supervisors in the store rooms??? Heck Bobo, in all the years I was a supervisor I never once had a female employee proposition me for sex, or anything else. Not ever. Course I'm happily married. That may have had something to do with their lack of interest. Not to mention I'm a bald ugly dude. But, dang, it would have been nice to tell one NO, just one time. U know, feel like I was a stud muffin, like you!!!! Heck, sometimes I can't even push away from my desk without finding some chick attached to my business. It happens so often that most of the time I don't even realize it anymore. If I can keep the benefits I'd work for free.
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Post by hadituptoHERE on Apr 3, 2014 16:27:49 GMT -5
Who said the chick made the first move? Works both ways. Some female officers will do darn near anything to avoid the real work and that's fact.. Take a look at the daily rosters if you can't guess which ones.
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Post by KBS's bi lover on Apr 5, 2014 10:42:38 GMT -5
[ font face="courier new"]...I never once had a female employee proposition me for sex, or anything else. Not ever. ...stud muffin, like you!!!! Heck, sometimes I can't even push away from my desk without finding some chick attached to my business. It happens so often that most of the time I don't even realize it anymore. If I can keep the benefits I'd work for free. Marty! Maybe you need to email pictures to all the female rank. [/font]
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Post by gadget on Apr 15, 2014 20:26:11 GMT -5
Honestly, I just used to shrug my shoulders. It's not like we don't just "get it done" anyway. But then, the cameras started coming. Now, it's going to be a problem for all those smart boys who agreed to all of these programs, assuming we'd just...."get it done" like we always did.
Those times are coming to an end.
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Post by accussedsnitchgp11 on Apr 15, 2014 21:14:09 GMT -5
anyone else seeing it being harder to fill Supervisor slots with cameras coming? will supervisors be held to the same standards as everyday joes...will they make rounds..especially those PREA Rounds?
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Post by gadget on Apr 15, 2014 21:47:35 GMT -5
Right now, cameras are being used to burn bossmen that are not liked.
As time goes, it will get worse, because the box has been opened.
I recently worked OT at a unit that has cameras in their ad seg. A crook sat down because we searched his house. He was a scroungy little POS, talking a bunch of shit and you know what I did?
*Pull Collar/Make Phone sign*
Yep. "Get rank"
Sorry, I'm not going down like that. "GET RANK!"
You're dumb if you don't.
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Post by Leora on Nov 1, 2023 20:31:15 GMT -5
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Post by Hattie on Jan 11, 2024 4:49:47 GMT -5
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