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Post by bobothebeaten on Dec 29, 2012 15:23:47 GMT -5
Thank you mley1. I am hoping to make a career out of it. I'm a single guy with no family or desire for one, ripe for turning into a workaholic Hopefully I will be able to promote steadily. I'd be very happy with retiring as a Major, but Warden is my true goal, and I think becoming one in a state prison system should be more attainable than in the FBOP. I'm planning on working there until I'm 50 or close to it, so maybe that'll give me enough time. Thanks again for ya'lls help! Shoot for the stars. Get on SSI, welfare, food stamps, Obama phone and every other freebie you can get. Why bother to earn a living now? It's not necessary.
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Post by crosstimbersokie on Dec 29, 2012 18:57:09 GMT -5
I've worked for the feds for nearly 21 years. I started in prison work with the Oklahoma prison system before going to the feds. I recommend that anyone considering the feds get their initial experience with a state system. Compared to the feds, state systems--any state system--will teach you the right way to manage inmates. The feds will teach you how to kiss inmate ass. You need to know some other way to manage inmates besides kissing their ass. TDCJ will teach you that. The feds won't. Here's where kissing inmate ass invariably leads, and is a lesson the feds have been unable to learn for the 20+ years I've been associated with the agency: backgate.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=chatter&action=display&thread=1025
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Post by srb on Dec 29, 2012 21:54:33 GMT -5
Sounds like there are plenty working for TDCJ who are ripe for Federal employment.
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Post by bobothebeaten on Dec 30, 2012 12:09:49 GMT -5
I've worked for the feds for nearly 21 years. I started in prison work with the Oklahoma prison system before going to the feds. I recommend that anyone considering the feds get their initial experience with a state system. Compared to the feds, state systems--any state system--will teach you the right way to manage inmates. The feds will teach you how to kiss inmate ass. You need to know some other way to manage inmates besides kissing their ass. TDCJ will teach you that. The feds won't. Here's where kissing inmate ass invariably leads, and is a lesson the feds have been unable to learn for the 20+ years I've been associated with the agency: backgate.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=chatter&action=display&thread=1025 I think the feds realize that convicts remain incarcerated as long as they (convicts) agree to it. There are probably only a couple of prisons that could prevent a convict take over so it behooves the feds/state to allow certain behaviors and privileges just to maintain custody and order. You either get me some tobacco or I will create hell during your shift CO. Turn your back while I butt doodle my cellie or I'll bury you in false allegations and paperwork.
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Post by crosstimbersokie on Dec 30, 2012 12:30:28 GMT -5
I've worked for the feds for nearly 21 years. I started in prison work with the Oklahoma prison system before going to the feds. I recommend that anyone considering the feds get their initial experience with a state system. Compared to the feds, state systems--any state system--will teach you the right way to manage inmates. The feds will teach you how to kiss inmate ass. You need to know some other way to manage inmates besides kissing their ass. TDCJ will teach you that. The feds won't. Here's where kissing inmate ass invariably leads, and is a lesson the feds have been unable to learn for the 20+ years I've been associated with the agency: backgate.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=chatter&action=display&thread=1025 I think the feds realize that convicts remain incarcerated as long as they (convicts) agree to it. There are probably only a couple of prisons that could prevent a convict take over so it behooves the feds/state to allow certain behaviors and privileges just to maintain custody and order. You either get me some tobacco or I will create hell during your shift CO. Turn your back while I butt doodle my cellie or I'll bury you in false allegations and paperwork. Heard dis, BabyDaddy. Heard dis...
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Post by apostle on Jan 1, 2013 9:41:59 GMT -5
Ya'll sound like those old convicts telling the new ones to come on in, so they have fresh fish. The Agency has gone down hill so much it's a horrible place to work. The pay sucks, morale is non-existing (and not considered by leadership as important). Why should anyone want to come to work here?
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Post by srb on Jan 2, 2013 17:49:08 GMT -5
The pay is what it is! Why would you accept a job that told you what you were going to make, and then complain about the pay. I knew what I would make when I took the job in 1985 and never complained about it. I could always quit and find better pay and you can too. I am retired, sitting back and doing what I want now. But, when I went to work I worked to the best of my ability, everyday. And, my supervisors knew it. I only asked to work a position so I would know how to work there, even if it was a crappy place to be and I would be put there again, often. I worked every position on the unit. I learned to make myself valuable, not a pain in the butt, or just a piece of flesh to hold down a position. There was plenty I didn't like that the administration did or didn't do. If they damaged morale they had to live with it, just like now. My biggest complaint was the people who constantly complained, while they did nothing else. That's why I retired 3 years early.
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Post by apostle on Jan 3, 2013 5:39:32 GMT -5
The pay has not kept up with inflation, cost of living raises are non-existent, they don't mention that. There are other benefits dwindling away as well. Did they also tell you they were the 48th lowest paying SRB?, I'm guessing No.
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Post by mley1 on Jan 3, 2013 18:45:56 GMT -5
The pay in relation to the economy has not kept up as apostle says. As other agencies got cost of living raises we lagged behind. And, other departments besides security are much worse off than security. Look at the agg, maintenance, laundry and food service salaries. They are much lower than security salaries. Industry also has lower salaries. Certain positions that used to carry the rank of captain are now some kind of admin tech or program supervisor. Once they were classified out of security they pay never kept up. Case in point is the regional gang coordinators. The original positions were all captains, with security captains pay. From what I hear they are now trying to upgrade them to lieutenants which is a good start. But, it still isn't what it should be. They should be captains. But, what do I know. I ain't running nothing but my head.
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Post by oldtimer87 on Jan 3, 2013 21:39:02 GMT -5
marty hey how you doin good to see ya. you as well as anyone know that the pay in the texas prison system will never be on par with the rest of the nation. hell this is TEXAS we dont care that our employees are under payed we'll just get younger ones who dont have a clue about the job. yea being a correctional officer used to be great but somewhere along the way the system lost the meaning of Taking Care of Our Own. I remember old school wardens use to say You aint gonna get rich doin this job. Those same ones ran off to the private sector and made a mint. so for them the job was just a stepping stone. say srb since you left nothing has been found you really need to come back and clean this place up again.
oldtimer87 jesus alvarado clemens unit
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Post by srb on Jan 4, 2013 3:44:06 GMT -5
I heard nothing is being found. I was hoping someone would step up and start looking. But then the administration doesn't seem to care if there is contraband on their unit. Guess a polititian will need to get another phone call. Come back, well maybe, but I'll try bagging groceries first. Not doing that yet.
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Post by mley1 on Jan 4, 2013 23:58:47 GMT -5
Guy's, it sure ain't the system it was when we started. Never will be again either. I'm glad I've gotten to work with you fella's, and did it during a time when it meant something. I'm gonna miss it. I dunno if I'll double dip or not. But, I do gotta tell you that each of you are appreciated by me and all of my family. We thank you for the job that you do.
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Post by srb on Jan 5, 2013 17:41:22 GMT -5
I retired when I did because of the push by those businessmen in Houston to stop double dipping and change our retirement. Might be a little difficult with the govenor double dipping, but you know there are two sets of rules in Texas. Now that I have been away for months I don't want to return. It gets in your blood, but the blood thins with time.
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