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Post by cybertrader4 on Jul 23, 2013 17:35:33 GMT -5
Have been doing mandatory 6 0n 2 off overtime since january. Burnin out. Now talk is about making us work a 7 on 1 off schedule. staffing levels under 50%. Can they do this? Any thoughts?
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Post by bobothebeaten on Jul 23, 2013 19:59:28 GMT -5
Have been doing mandatory 6 0n 2 off overtime since january. Burnin out. Now talk is about making us work a 7 on 1 off schedule. staffing levels under 50%. Can they do this? Any thoughts? Yes.
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Post by njblu72 on Jul 24, 2013 7:45:43 GMT -5
Dont you guys have a Union??? if so where are they?? I would at least call the state & federal labor board, to see if this is legal?? Where I am from ,they can only do that in State of Emergency, whic comes from the Govenor . Please No disrespect here But I see you guys complain every day, I do feel very bad for your situations. But you guys have to stand up for your selves , Strike if leagal, Sick Out, refuse to take post if safety is a concern.. Call Correction officer from all over the country to ralley for you, on the capital steps.. Shout BE HEARD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by mley1 on Jul 24, 2013 8:22:24 GMT -5
Dont you guys have a Union??? if so where are they?? I would at least call the state & federal labor board, to see if this is legal?? Where I am from ,they can only do that in State of Emergency, whic comes from the Govenor . Please No disrespect here But I see you guys complain every day, I do feel very bad for your situations. But you guys have to stand up for your selves , Strike if leagal, Sick Out, refuse to take post if safety is a concern.. Call Correction officer from all over the country to ralley for you, on the capital steps.. Shout BE HEARD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Texas is a right to work state. The unions, such as they are, have no power at all. I'm wondering what state you're from, and work in. It would be interesting to know so we can have a look at how you guys operate, and maybe see if we can improve how we operate ours.
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Post by mley1 on Jul 24, 2013 8:24:52 GMT -5
Have been doing mandatory 6 0n 2 off overtime since january. Burnin out. Now talk is about making us work a 7 on 1 off schedule. staffing levels under 50%. Can they do this? Any thoughts? I don't see it getting better. That schedule sounds like the old schedule I started with in '82. We called our 1 day off week the "green weeny". Sure made for a long week. But, it's nothing new.
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Post by srb on Jul 24, 2013 16:28:31 GMT -5
If the economy picks up, and more jobs become available, you can expect it to get worse. But, when the health care law kicks in fully, if it does, many people may want to work for TDCJ. One job, instead of two or three, and healthcare with it.
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Post by crosstimbersokie on Jul 25, 2013 0:51:33 GMT -5
Dont you guys have a Union??? if so where are they?? I would at least call the state & federal labor board, to see if this is legal?? Where I am from ,they can only do that in State of Emergency, whic comes from the Govenor . Please No disrespect here But I see you guys complain every day, I do feel very bad for your situations. But you guys have to stand up for your selves , Strike if leagal, Sick Out, refuse to take post if safety is a concern.. Call Correction officer from all over the country to ralley for you, on the capital steps.. Shout BE HEARD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Texas is a right to work state. The unions, such as they are, have no power at all. I'm wondering what state you're from, and work in. It would be interesting to know so we can have a look at how you guys operate, and maybe see if we can improve how we operate ours. Unions have the power to force the agency to follow federal law, state law, and its own policies regardless of whether it's a right-to-work state or not. But a union is just what its name implies--a union. A union of employees acting in unison. It takes balls to go up against people with power. Inmates don't have power. All they can do is lash out. In the final analysis, courage is the issue. Either you're willing to risk that $35,000 a year job with TDCJ in a booming economy like Texas has, or you roll over and take whatever the agency wants to dish out regardless of law and common sense.
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Post by mley1 on Jul 25, 2013 7:56:02 GMT -5
Texas is a right to work state. The unions, such as they are, have no power at all. I'm wondering what state you're from, and work in. It would be interesting to know so we can have a look at how you guys operate, and maybe see if we can improve how we operate ours. Unions have the power to force the agency to follow federal law, state law, and its own policies regardless of whether it's a right-to-work state or not. But a union is just what its name implies--a union. A union of employees acting in unison. It takes balls to go up against people with power. Inmates don't have power. All they can do is lash out. In the final analysis, courage is the issue. Either you're willing to risk that $35,000 a year job with TDCJ in a booming economy like Texas has, or you roll over and take whatever the agency wants to dish out regardless of law and common sense. In over 30yrs working for TDCJ I've seen unions come and go. NONE of them did shit. They took our money, and that's about it. I went to one of the first union meetings that happened down in Galveston back in '83. Unions may have clout in other states. Here in Texas they are just a bunch of neutered money grabbers. They don't do a damn thing here. They NEVER have. And, it don't have a damn thing to do with courage. The only thing, or way, that I've seen things happen to change TDCJ's actions or policy's has been through court litigation. That's all they understand, court litigation. It happened when the sergeants got all their overtime pay. It happened when the females got equal treatment. And, it's happened on a few other labor issues involving time, over time, and time keeping. The courts are what TDCJ listens too, NOT UNIONS.
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Post by bobothebeaten on Jul 25, 2013 10:46:43 GMT -5
Unions have the power to force the agency to follow federal law, state law, and its own policies regardless of whether it's a right-to-work state or not. But a union is just what its name implies--a union. A union of employees acting in unison. It takes balls to go up against people with power. Inmates don't have power. All they can do is lash out. In the final analysis, courage is the issue. Either you're willing to risk that $35,000 a year job with TDCJ in a booming economy like Texas has, or you roll over and take whatever the agency wants to dish out regardless of law and common sense. In over 30yrs working for TDCJ I've seen unions come and go. NONE of them did shit. They took our money, and that's about it. I went to one of the first union meetings that happened down in Galveston back in '83. Unions may have clout in other states. Here in Texas they are just a bunch of neutered money grabbers. They don't do a damn thing here. They NEVER have. And, it don't have a damn thing to do with courage. The only thing, or way, that I've seen things happen to change TDCJ's actions or policy's has been through court litigation. That's all they understand, court litigation. It happened when the sergeants got all their overtime pay. It happened when the females got equal treatment. And, it's happened on a few other labor issues involving time, over time, and time keeping. The courts are what TDCJ listens too, NOT UNIONS. If you don't have the right to strike then you don't have any power.
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Post by njblu72 on Jul 25, 2013 13:30:08 GMT -5
UNIONS DO WORK, if you have the right leader ship within the union. but your members are only as strong as the weakest link. Texas is a great state, BUT they are a Pro employes state , and dont give a damm about the employee's. To me you guys have a WIN WIN situation. If you strike , do sick outs picket every freaking day, or refuse to take post if under man ed YOU must have the public and media support to WIN. REALLY what is the worst that can Happen they FIRE some of YOU??? top salary is 37,000 ? Shoot can make that at WALMART. Trust me I really feel bad for you guys!! If Staff will NOT stick up for them selves and join together to defeat the enemy , THEN WHO WILL?? Seems like you guys are beaten dogs who still try to please their master. Please I mean NO Disrespect here.
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Post by mley1 on Jul 25, 2013 15:04:24 GMT -5
UNIONS DO WORK, if you have the right leader ship within the union. but your members are only as strong as the weakest link. Texas is a great state, BUT they are a Pro employes state , and dont give a damm about the employee's. To me you guys have a WIN WIN situation. If you strike , do sick outs picket every freaking day, or refuse to take post if under man ed YOU must have the public and media support to WIN. REALLY what is the worst that can Happen they FIRE some of YOU??? top salary is 37,000 ? Shoot can make that at WALMART. Trust me I really feel bad for you guys!! If Staff will NOT stick up for them selves and join together to defeat the enemy , THEN WHO WILL?? Seems like you guys are beaten dogs who still try to please their master. Please I mean NO Disrespect here. Bobo is correct. Without the right to strike unions have no power. In Texas, with our current laws, and it being a right to work state, the unions really have very little if any power. Otherwise, I do believe we would have already been striking. ;D Without a change in our laws, and the legislative climate, you will NOT see this change anytime soon. What I have found also is that legislators only listen to voters, who ACTUALLY VOTE, and are willing to stand up for what they believe in and want. So, I do believe the squeaking wheel gets the grease. We just haven't been squeaking enough, and not in the right places. Complaining on here only helps to get those of us who read it talking about it. The place to be heard is your legislators offices. There has to be enough of us speak up about the issues we care about. For those who don't think your voice matters I would point to the recent attacks on the 2nd Amendment, and how attempts by the liberals to infringe on our rights have been defeated. The squeaking wheels got greased. It can happen for us as well. We just need a bunch of squeaky wheels. ;D
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Post by mley1 on Jul 25, 2013 15:10:54 GMT -5
I would also point out that with several liberal states, who's state employee's are unionized, going nearly bankrupt and trying to do away with state employee pentions, the state of Texas will probably NOT allow their state employee unions to have any clout. And, quite frankly, our pension plan is sound. And, the latest legislative session has taken steps to make it more actuarially sound. Whereas, in those states with unionized state workers, their pension plans it seems may not be as sound as ours. We actually contribute to our plans, whereas some of those states do not. It's been a bit of a topic in political circles in Texas.
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Post by srb on Jul 25, 2013 20:43:49 GMT -5
Don't want to bust your bubble Marty, but, the union brought all those suits against the agency. BUT, they did so knowing that every employee was being affected. It cost a LOT of money to just file a suit. The Union, TSEU/CWA fronted the money believing it would help every employee, and they would gain membership out of it, and they were right. Then AFSCME showed up. AFSCME wasn't doing well, so they joined the AFL/CIO and complained that they were having to compete with TSEU for membership, so the AFL/CIO had the two divide up state agencies between them.
Any organization is only as strong as it's membership, and Too Many state employees want something for nothing, so they don't join. I've gone to Austin several times to meet with legislators and the first thing they ask is "What organization do you belong to?" One even said, you have 3000 members and the teachers have 300,000, who do you think is going to get the money?" What TDCJ employees have in their favor...? It's a job NOBODY wants, and the turnover is high, and inmates love to sue over poor conditions.
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Post by njblu72 on Jul 25, 2013 21:39:40 GMT -5
LOOK are Unions The End of all Problems NOOOOOOO!!!!! as far as states like NJ pension system were Out standing until , Govenor Whiman took 30 million from it and never paid it back yes in the NJ most people dont care because they think the cops & firemen make to much. No one cared when the economy was Good now they want to bash the civil servent.. THE BOTTOM LINE is Most of you Guys have Given UP!! Fight the Fight. Do Monthly Protest all over the State contact local jails for help protesting. Call other state prison to do a rally on the capital steps. SEEMS like only hand full are in the fight the rest dose Not Care.
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Post by crosstimbersokie on Jul 25, 2013 23:53:27 GMT -5
Unions have the power to force the agency to follow federal law, state law, and its own policies regardless of whether it's a right-to-work state or not. But a union is just what its name implies--a union. A union of employees acting in unison. It takes balls to go up against people with power. Inmates don't have power. All they can do is lash out. In the final analysis, courage is the issue. Either you're willing to risk that $35,000 a year job with TDCJ in a booming economy like Texas has, or you roll over and take whatever the agency wants to dish out regardless of law and common sense. In over 30yrs working for TDCJ I've seen unions come and go. NONE of them did shit. They took our money, and that's about it. I went to one of the first union meetings that happened down in Galveston back in '83. Unions may have clout in other states. Here in Texas they are just a bunch of neutered money grabbers. They don't do a damn thing here. They NEVER have. And, it don't have a damn thing to do with courage. The only thing, or way, that I've seen things happen to change TDCJ's actions or policy's has been through court litigation. That's all they understand, court litigation. It happened when the sergeants got all their overtime pay. It happened when the females got equal treatment. And, it's happened on a few other labor issues involving time, over time, and time keeping. The courts are what TDCJ listens too, NOT UNIONS. Unions provide the resources to get issues into court. Unions are democratic organizations and only as strong as their membership.
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