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Post by accussedsnitchgp11 on Mar 4, 2016 17:57:15 GMT -5
Like I thought all the Blame feel on the Officers I can tell you from experience on ALLRED ...Ain't ever been a single officer "not guilty' assigned AD SEG/ECB. No one that can say they never escorted an Offender by themselves.. But I will quarantee you one thing...Ain't a single Supervisor willing to admit the knew about it....Not even those that worked there as a CO. www.tdcjunion.com/research/telford_sir.pdf
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Post by mley1 on Mar 5, 2016 8:42:49 GMT -5
Complacency kills. The worst mistake was the restraints not being used properly. Or, you could say his coward partner, but that was no mistake on her part. She flat out let him fight alone and die alone. She should have been with him, or at the vary least come to his aide. While the convict is guilty as hell, this murder could have been prevented easily. Again, complacency kills.
Proper restraint use is extremely important. I had a case years ago at HG where improper application of restraints nearly resulted in a hostage situation in the freeworld recovery room. An adseg inmate went in for surgery. The officer in the surgery area was to apply restraints prior to the inmate coming into the recovery room, where I was working. Once in recovery the inmate woke up, got out of the handcuffs, and grabbed a nurse. Luckily, I was near him and was able to put some pain in his life. He screamed like a little bitch before I was through with him. While I had both my hands occupied using pain compliance on him I asked the nurse to grab my radio and hold it to my face with the button pushed. She did, and I called for assistance that way. The convict screaming bloody murder the whole time in the background. Once the LT and help got there we got him all buttoned up with restraints again. The LT asked why I didn't call first before using force on this convict. I sorta chuckled and told him to ask the nurse with the bruise on her arm. She bought me lunch.
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Post by accussedsnitchgp11 on Mar 6, 2016 3:25:08 GMT -5
From my experience..The Officer was most likely taught to not double lock the cuffs by his Peers. As for being alone in a section, again almost willing to bet Taught by peers..you do what was necessary to complete REC/Showers before the End of your shift..and if you didn't supervisors rode your ass. Unspoken Escort rule on Allred do what it takes to get everything done before end of shift but.....If something goes wrong your ass better be in the same section before Help arrives..especially before a Camera does. Of Course that was back in the Days when AD SEG (12 Bldg, aka "The Best Kept secret on Allred) had no cameras. 12 Bldg Motto "That's my story and I am Sticking to it"...Just like the Bible...Incident Report was the Gospel.
As for her being in the section. I couldn't tell from report if section door was closed when she was standing there. We don't know if the Picket boss would not unsecure the door for her to enter alone. I know they say she resigned in Lieu of Disciplinary maybe it was she did not have the stomach for it anymore. A High Percentage of Officers who are beaten or witness a beating, especially a traumatic one hang it up. I know it sounds so callus but on Allred all the Supervisors on record tell Picket bosses never open a secure area until adequate staff has arrived. Several picket bosses took disciplinary because they opened section doors to allow Officers to try an escape an attack. I am sure that there are many more officers who would willingly go sit on the couch. Until it becomes a More Frequent problem we won't know for sure...and lets all pray to God it doesn't get worse and we find out. I saw plenty of "Billy BadAsses" who choked at the time they were needed. All talk until shit happened...always last to enter a fight, showed up after everything was Handled.
I saw Offenders slip cuffs single and double locked on many occasions. Always the first thing checked when crap happens.
Every Unit in TDCJ has the same pressure..How many times has everyone heard... "Be a Team Player" Team players keep their Mouths shut, They have to take short cuts otherwise they are "hard to work with" Everyone hates them, supervisors don't like 'em. they get put in lousy spots.
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Post by mley1 on Mar 6, 2016 9:58:30 GMT -5
From my experience..The Officer was most likely taught to not double lock the cuffs by his Peers. As for being alone in a section, again almost willing to bet Taught by peers..you do what was necessary to complete REC/Showers before the End of your shift..and if you didn't supervisors rode your ass. Unspoken Escort rule on Allred do what it takes to get everything done before end of shift but.....If something goes wrong your ass better be in the same section before Help arrives..especially before a Camera does. Of Course that was back in the Days when AD SEG (12 Bldg, aka "The Best Kept secret on Allred) had no cameras. 12 Bldg Motto "That's my story and I am Sticking to it"...Just like the Bible...Incident Report was the Gospel. As for her being in the section. I couldn't tell from report if section door was closed when she was standing there. We don't know if the Picket boss would not unsecure the door for her to enter alone. I know they say she resigned in Lieu of Disciplinary maybe it was she did not have the stomach for it anymore. A High Percentage of Officers who are beaten or witness a beating, especially a traumatic one hang it up. I know it sounds so callus but on Allred all the Supervisors on record tell Picket bosses never open a secure area until adequate staff has arrived. Several picket bosses took disciplinary because they opened section doors to allow Officers to try an escape an attack. I am sure that there are many more officers who would willingly go sit on the couch. Until it becomes a More Frequent problem we won't know for sure...and lets all pray to God it doesn't get worse and we find out. I saw plenty of "Billy BadAsses" who choked at the time they were needed. All talk until shit happened...always last to enter a fight, showed up after everything was Handled. I saw Offenders slip cuffs single and double locked on many occasions. Always the first thing checked when crap happens. Every Unit in TDCJ has the same pressure..How many times has everyone heard... "Be a Team Player" Team players keep their Mouths shut, They have to take short cuts otherwise they are "hard to work with" Everyone hates them, supervisors don't like 'em. they get put in lousy spots. If that was your experience at Allred you had some fucked up experience. There is NO TDCJ APPROVED TRAINING that says what you just said. And, if I were a CO there and some numb nut tried to tell me to do things that way I'd tell them quick and in a hurry to kiss my ass. NOBODY in my entire career would EVER tell ANYONE to NOT double lock cuffs, PERIOD. End of story. NOBODY can be that stupid as to train someone to do something that would cost them their life. I find that hard to believe. As for the lady boss not responding, I read the entire report. It says she was near the incident, but failed to respond. It also says she was being disciplined for failing to respond, among other things. I'm gonna say something that I think you've said before Snitch. The culture at that unit is bad, from the top down. If the supervisors there feel comfortable allowing, even encouraging, the behavior that occurred during that incident then EVERY single one of them should be fired. If not double locking cuffs was encouraged by anyone they are complicit in this murder. Snitch, if what you say is true then all of his peers helped to kill him.
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Post by mley1 on Mar 6, 2016 10:01:07 GMT -5
I certainly hope that what you've said about this murder isn't true Snitch. Because, if it is Allred is a ticking time bomb just waiting for the next murder to occur.
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Post by corywensle on Mar 6, 2016 22:08:44 GMT -5
Not double locking a pair of handcuffs only allows them to become tighter. In the case of someone slipping a cuff double locking would have no effect. In fact, double locking is a benefit to the person wearing the handcuffs. The term Double locking makes it sound like a pair of cuffs is more secure, but in reality they are not.
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Post by accussedsnitchgp11 on Mar 7, 2016 1:54:59 GMT -5
I certainly hope that what you've said about this murder isn't true Snitch. Because, if it is Allred is a ticking time bomb just waiting for the next murder to occur. We came close twice already while I was there...Officer Mandy Greenup (Now SGT). Another Incident was SGT Bria's Stabbing. As already stated Double Locking will not prevent the Cuffs from being slipped...what it does is prevent the cuff being used to rip out your throat like a Hook or gouge out eyes with when they are slipped. But not a weapon to beat you with. "Official Training" hahahahahahahahaha boy that is a laugh. Of Course not... Officially I Got 4 days Mentorship when I was assigned to shift.... However I was not assigned a single mentor just passed around. Meet the "FTO" like 3rd Block on shift and yes When It came to cuffing...Single Lock with holes turned down and not up away from fingers (that is GP way, since they are standing when Unlocked)...why....because you could unlock them faster through the Food slots. I was constantly yelled at because I double locked, because I Striped Searched before escorting. I took to long. As for the the policy of "close proximity" that has always been a Joke..When I was on ECB there was only one officer per pod....who was there to "proximity" us....No one When I reassigned from GP Nights to AD SEG DAYS...I did not get any "16 Hours of Training". My first day on Shift in AD SEG they walked off 2 Bosses, in turn out. And how will they do this..With Staffing Shortages I have seen people thrown to the wolves .... Never worked AD SEG and shifted over from GP without notice. I know there have been at least 3 SIRs on Allred in my 12.5 years...I am sure someone can find them if they are so inclined and see what the findings were..I am sure there are many similarities between those incidents and this one. If only I had your TDCJ Experiences...I would still be out there. Heading into retirement years and beyond. Officers will always be the escape goats because of "Training Paperwork" and "signing post orders"
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Post by accussedsnitchgp11 on Mar 7, 2016 2:01:23 GMT -5
Just remember this..Based on my Allred Experiences On July 28th, 2015 I wrote this on another Posting found on these boards
""I can almost bet I can write the SIR without ever Reviewing the Evidence based on my Experience on Allred, Improper Restraint application, Slipped Cuffs, Improper Escort Procedures, who knows exactly what the Policy of "second Officer in Close Proximity to assist if Necessary" really means? Someone popped the Door wrong? No clear line of Sight? No Clear communication between Escort and Picket Control...The read and Signed Post Orders..etc..etc."" Was I Right or Wrong?
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Post by mley1 on Mar 8, 2016 17:24:43 GMT -5
Not double locking a pair of handcuffs only allows them to become tighter. In the case of someone slipping a cuff double locking would have no effect. In fact, double locking is a benefit to the person wearing the handcuffs. The term Double locking makes it sound like a pair of cuffs is more secure, but in reality they are not. Bullshit. You don't know anything about the workings of a handcuff then. Those little teeth on the main body of the handcuff that holds the swing arm in place are extremely important in the security of the cuffs. If they are not double locked those little teeth can be pushed upward with a simple piece of thin plastic, which then enables the cuff to be opened. This happens quickly when done, and there won't be shit you can do to stop it. So, YES double locking the damn cuffs is imperative to them being properly secured. Can the cuffs get tighter? Yes. Does it matter that the cuffs could get tighter? NO. Why? Because the cuffs can be opened very quickly and easily by the inmate. Handcuffs are NOT secure unless they are double locked. Period, end of story. In this case it cost the officer his life. To all the rookies reading this site, DOUBLE LOCK THE HANDCUFFS AND LEG IRONS ALWAYS!!!!! Do NOT get complacent. Do NOT get lazy. And, do NOT listen to ANYONE that says it's ok to not double lock restraints, because the person who tells you that is full of shit. Not double locking handcuffs will get you KILLED.
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Post by mley1 on Mar 8, 2016 17:27:32 GMT -5
BTW, when I was a supervisor I demonstrated this on several occasions using a simple inmate comb. DOUBLE LOCK ALL RESTRAINTS, and put them bastards on tight enough. I can't stress this enough. NEVER trust restraints, NEVER. Even when applied properly restraints should be considered temporary and not secure. Knowledgeable inmates know how to get out of full restraints easily, even with the black box properly applied. Look it up. It's on youtube.
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Post by mley1 on Mar 8, 2016 17:37:01 GMT -5
I certainly hope that what you've said about this murder isn't true Snitch. Because, if it is Allred is a ticking time bomb just waiting for the next murder to occur. We came close twice already while I was there...Officer Mandy Greenup (Now SGT). Another Incident was SGT Bria's Stabbing. As already stated Double Locking will not prevent the Cuffs from being slipped...what it does is prevent the cuff being used to rip out your throat like a Hook or gouge out eyes with when they are slipped. But not a weapon to beat you with. "Official Training" hahahahahahahahaha boy that is a laugh. Of Course not... Officially I Got 4 days Mentorship when I was assigned to shift.... However I was not assigned a single mentor just passed around. Meet the "FTO" like 3rd Block on shift and yes When It came to cuffing...Single Lock with holes turned down and not up away from fingers (that is GP way, since they are standing when Unlocked)...why....because you could unlock them faster through the Food slots. I was constantly yelled at because I double locked, because I Striped Searched before escorting. I took to long. As for the the policy of "close proximity" that has always been a Joke..When I was on ECB there was only one officer per pod....who was there to "proximity" us....No one When I reassigned from GP Nights to AD SEG DAYS...I did not get any "16 Hours of Training". My first day on Shift in AD SEG they walked off 2 Bosses, in turn out. And how will they do this..With Staffing Shortages I have seen people thrown to the wolves .... Never worked AD SEG and shifted over from GP without notice. I know there have been at least 3 SIRs on Allred in my 12.5 years...I am sure someone can find them if they are so inclined and see what the findings were..I am sure there are many similarities between those incidents and this one. If only I had your TDCJ Experiences...I would still be out there. Heading into retirement years and beyond. Officers will always be the escape goats because of "Training Paperwork" and "signing post orders" Like I said, a ticking time bomb. This kind of staffing comes about when the powers that be decides costs need to be cut, so positions on the staffing plan of a unit get cut. And, some desk jocky decides it's ok to perform the necessary functions of a pod with however many officers they decide is appropriate. I've seen this happen a few times over the years, the staff cutting. Here's news for you HV folks in power, staffing a unit with the bare minimum to cut costs will cost lives, both inmates and officers. Bank on it. I've said it before, and I'm saying it again. Get staffing plans back up to snuff where they really need to be for the safety of staff and offenders.
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Post by accussedsnitchgp11 on Mar 8, 2016 20:54:48 GMT -5
And they won't do nothing until the keep getting hit in the pocket book in court over and over be if Offenders or Officers
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Post by accussedsnitchgp11 on Mar 8, 2016 20:58:05 GMT -5
Not double locking a pair of handcuffs only allows them to become tighter. In the case of someone slipping a cuff double locking would have no effect. In fact, double locking is a benefit to the person wearing the handcuffs. The term Double locking makes it sound like a pair of cuffs is more secure, but in reality they are not. Bullshit. You don't know anything about the workings of a handcuff then. Those little teeth on the main body of the handcuff that holds the swing arm in place are extremely important in the security of the cuffs. If they are not double locked those little teeth can be pushed upward with a simple piece of thin plastic, which then enables the cuff to be opened. This happens quickly when done, and there won't be shit you can do to stop it. So, YES double locking the damn cuffs is imperative to them being properly secured. Can the cuffs get tighter? Yes. Does it matter that the cuffs could get tighter? NO. Why? Because the cuffs can be opened very quickly and easily by the inmate. Handcuffs are NOT secure unless they are double locked. Period, end of story. In this case it cost the officer his life. To all the rookies reading this site, DOUBLE LOCK THE HANDCUFFS AND LEG IRONS ALWAYS!!!!! Do NOT get complacent. Do NOT get lazy. And, do NOT listen to ANYONE that says it's ok to not double lock restraints, because the person who tells you that is full of shit. Not double locking handcuffs will get you KILLED. Ever thought of teaching?
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Post by mley1 on Mar 8, 2016 22:07:38 GMT -5
Snitch, one of the most satisfying aspects of my career has been the privilege of training staff. I enjoy and get great satisfaction from training/teaching. Seeing a staff member finally "get it" during a training just gets me all warm and fuzzy.
I've had people ask me why that is. Why do I enjoy it so much. One answer my friend. I care about my co-workers. I want them to succeed. From the majors, captains, lieutenants and sergeants to all the CO's I've trained. I love them all like they are brothers and sisters.
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