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Post by corywensle on Jul 9, 2016 2:08:57 GMT -5
Whats a rock and roll unit?
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Post by hondo on Jul 9, 2016 7:10:17 GMT -5
A "Rock 'N Roll" unit is typically a maximum security prison where there's a lot of action such as numerous fights, riots, staff assaults and such on pretty much a daily basis. Most of those types of units are in south and/or east Texas. Units where there are a large number of youthful offenders are usually a "Rock 'N Roll" unit environment. Clemens, Darrington, Coffield, Connelly and Robertson units are the first ones that come to mind when I think about this.
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Post by corywensle on Jul 9, 2016 9:12:12 GMT -5
Would Allred be one?
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Post by hondo on Jul 9, 2016 14:56:09 GMT -5
I do believe the Allred unit is one also because I see them on EAC reports often. The Robertson unit is most definitely a Rock 'N Roll unit. They don't call it "Rockin' Robertson" for just nothing.
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Post by accussedsnitchgp11 on Jul 11, 2016 18:11:01 GMT -5
I do believe the Allred unit is one also because I see them on EAC reports often. The Robertson unit is most definitely a Rock 'N Roll unit. They don't call it "Rockin' Robertson" for just nothing. It's just Rocking Rob......no ertson.
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Post by accussedsnitchgp11 on Jul 11, 2016 19:35:51 GMT -5
Allred is a "Oh H.E.L.L..It's going to H.E.L.L in a Handbasket in a Second Unit" They don't Suit Up "Ninja Turtles" everyday any more...Most of the situations are just spur of the moment situation.
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Post by hartsfieldjackson on Jul 12, 2016 2:43:32 GMT -5
Fort Stockton Unit checking in.
Yeah, what's a rock-and-roll unit?
I have 4 and a half years in TDC, and seen a team suit up maybe 3 times tops.
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Post by corywensle on Jul 12, 2016 11:44:05 GMT -5
I've been at Dalhart for less than 7 months and I've been on two teams where we went in on a fella.
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Post by hartsfieldjackson on Jul 12, 2016 13:38:03 GMT -5
Also, when I say 3 times...2 of those times were really two separate cells getting rowdy and encouraging each other on the same occasion and the 3rd time was on a shift other than mine. In other words, I am being generous when I say I've seen 3 cell extractions.
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Post by mley1 on Jul 12, 2016 22:33:16 GMT -5
Unless you've seen blood on the concrete, broken bones, stabbings, killings, it ain't much of a rock and roll unit. Hell, even my little punk unit has had uof and staff assaults. If you're suiting up EVERY day, finding shanks EVERY day, sending cons to the infirmary EVERY day, it ain't rockin and rollin. Darrington comes to mind, as an old school rock and roll unit. Ferguson, Clemons, Eastham, Retrieve, Ramsey's, Ellis, Coffield, Beto......all in the '80's and early '90's were rockin and rollin. The gang wars were going on. Stabbings were happening every day. Good ole Willie Wayne ensured the building tenders no longer had power, and the gangs took over in the early 80's. The halls ran red with blood. And, that's how ad seg was born. That's rockin and rollin.
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Post by corywensle on Jul 12, 2016 23:29:26 GMT -5
So in your opinion, true rockin and Rollin doesn't go down anymore?
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Post by mley1 on Jul 12, 2016 23:39:48 GMT -5
So in your opinion, true rockin and Rollin doesn't go down anymore? Nope, not like it used to. Words can't describe what a day is like in an environment where killings, stabbings, serious assaults are happening on a daily basis. You see, when the gang wars broke out there was no seg like there is now. Sure, we had solitary, and lock up for the idiots that couldn't behave, but the gangsters were all in GP vying for power. It got bloody. We didn't have COP, or camera's, or the extra officers we have today. You had to rely on your hands, and your head, for survival, on both sides. That's one reason why officers stuck together. We were family. We looked out for each other, both on and off duty. Not so much now days. Sure, there are some units rougher than others now. However, the days of rockin and rollin are pretty much over. When is the last time anyone has seen multiple homicides in a week? Multiple stabbings? Does it still happen, stabbings and homicides? Sure, ever once in a while. When I think of rockin and rollin, I'm thinking of a bygone era. An era when a lot of the staff we have now would shit in their britches and cry like bitches the first time they seen a killing. Yea, I think that era is over. And has been for a long time.
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Post by mley1 on Jul 12, 2016 23:47:28 GMT -5
I would add that what I've said doesn't mean we have less dangerous convicts to deal. Quite the contrary. They are dangerous as ever. We cannot ever become complacent. What I will say is that I believe we have better tools now, better training, better(meaning more) staffing, better classification programs....etc. We've learned a bit from our past, for the most part. What scares me are these talks of releasing the gangsters out of seg. In my mind, that's a very dangerous proposition, and very stupid and careless. There's a reason our homicide rate went down after seg was instituted. There's a reason stabbings slowed to almost nothing after the gangsters got locked up. History will repeat itself if we fail to uphold the lessons learned the hard way in this agency.
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Post by crosstimbersokie on Jul 14, 2016 0:50:23 GMT -5
So in your opinion, true rockin and Rollin doesn't go down anymore? I'll say this after two years in Oklahoma DOC, and 24 years in the feds. The current generation of inmates, the Millennials whom everyone likes to bash for being spoiled and lazy; that goes for inmates too. The past 8 or 9 years have become really easy since they became the majority generation of inmates. Many are too spoiled & lazy to make much trouble. The upside is they are more compliant too. And if you have grey hair many of them actually listen to you. Apparently, they think because you're old you may actually know something. Back in the 1990s & early 2000s for instance, when the Baby Boomers and Gen-X were the dominant generations of thugs, in the federal system we had a collection of Indian, mainly Sioux, radical shitbirds from South Dakota primarily. It was the 1870s all over again. Still scalping Custer and all that. But, this new generation of Indians from the same reservations are completely different animals. Believe it or not, they actually tend to hold themselves responsible for their criminal acts and most look for ways to better themselves while in prison. Something happened on those reservations with the parents of the current generation of young people. They actually made an effort to train their kids to become decent citizens and it even spilled over into their criminal population.
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Post by crosstimbersokie on Jul 14, 2016 0:54:56 GMT -5
I would add that what I've said doesn't mean we have less dangerous convicts to deal. Quite the contrary. They are dangerous as ever. We cannot ever become complacent. What I will say is that I believe we have better tools now, better training, better(meaning more) staffing, better classification programs....etc. We've learned a bit from our past, for the most part. What scares me are these talks of releasing the gangsters out of seg. In my mind, that's a very dangerous proposition, and very stupid and careless. There's a reason our homicide rate went down after seg was instituted. There's a reason stabbings slowed to almost nothing after the gangsters got locked up. History will repeat itself if we fail to uphold the lessons learned the hard way in this agency. Obama & Loretta Lynch. Hope & Change. Fundamental Transformation of America!! In Leavenworth we closed an entire housing unit in February. The count is down from the 1700s into the 1200s. Where did all of those thugs go and what are they doing now? It seems that most of ours, who are from the Midwest, are busy shooting up the south and west side of Chicago.
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