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Post by accussedsnitchgp11 on Apr 5, 2016 2:07:30 GMT -5
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Post by mley1 on Apr 6, 2016 23:16:01 GMT -5
Yea, not good at all. It could get worse for the disciplined staff.
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Post by accussedsnitchgp11 on Apr 7, 2016 16:03:55 GMT -5
I hear Admin is denying some of the stuff to reporter....Certain People are saying that they were not made aware anytime that Cell Searches, Proper Rosters, Supervisors Rounds were not being Made....not only on Clements but other Regional Units...Seems the Buck Stopped at the MAjor
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Post by mley1 on Apr 8, 2016 8:06:47 GMT -5
I hear Admin is denying some of the stuff to reporter....Certain People are saying that they were not made aware anytime that Cell Searches, Proper Rosters, Supervisors Rounds were not being Made....not only on Clements but other Regional Units...Seems the Buck Stopped at the MAjor Any warden worth their salt will be walking around, making rounds. They should be checking to see if these things are being completed. Most wardens I've met trust their majors to handle the security in the unit. Even if they trust him or her, walking around and observing should help them see what's really going on. Sometimes the bossman gets bogged down with all the paperwork and admin duties in the office. They gotta get past that, and MBWA(manage by walking around). They used to teach them that concept, MBWA. I'm not sure if they do anymore.
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Post by bobothebeaten on Apr 8, 2016 11:22:29 GMT -5
I hear Admin is denying some of the stuff to reporter....Certain People are saying that they were not made aware anytime that Cell Searches, Proper Rosters, Supervisors Rounds were not being Made....not only on Clements but other Regional Units...Seems the Buck Stopped at the MAjor Any warden worth their salt will be walking around, making rounds. They should be checking to see if these things are being completed. Most wardens I've met trust their majors to handle the security in the unit. Even if they trust him or her, walking around and observing should help them see what's really going on. Sometimes the bossman gets bogged down with all the paperwork and admin duties in the office. They gotta get past that, and MBWA(manage by walking around). They used to teach them that concept, MBWA. I'm not sure if they do anymore. Plausible deniability is the first rule taught in senior management training. If you tell management something they should know they become upset at being informed. They put pressure on staff not to tell them so that when the shit hits the fan they can say they didn't know. That way when the disciplinary hearing is conducted it's on the person who was afraid to tell management who is punished thus saving their own worthless butts. Plausible - superficially pleasing or able, but often specious; appearing worthy of disbelief. Deniability - the ability to deny something on the basis of being officially uniformed
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Post by accussedsnitchgp11 on Apr 8, 2016 21:50:44 GMT -5
I have a feeling some days in Court are coming.
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Post by mley1 on Apr 9, 2016 11:17:37 GMT -5
Any warden worth their salt will be walking around, making rounds. They should be checking to see if these things are being completed. Most wardens I've met trust their majors to handle the security in the unit. Even if they trust him or her, walking around and observing should help them see what's really going on. Sometimes the bossman gets bogged down with all the paperwork and admin duties in the office. They gotta get past that, and MBWA(manage by walking around). They used to teach them that concept, MBWA. I'm not sure if they do anymore. Plausible deniability is the first rule taught in senior management training. If you tell management something they should know they become upset at being informed. They put pressure on staff not to tell them so that when the shit hits the fan they can say they didn't know. That way when the disciplinary hearing is conducted it's on the person who was afraid to tell management who is punished thus saving their own worthless butts. Plausible - superficially pleasing or able, but often specious; appearing worthy of disbelief. Deniability - the ability to deny something on the basis of being officially uniformed Yes, I know all about plausible deniability. That's why when I was a department head I always sent admin status reports on my department. I put a lot of info in writing, and sent it to multiple folks, so NOBODY could say they didn't know. I had an assistant warden ask me one time why I was sending department status reports to them. I asked them if they wanted to know what's going on in my department, and the unit. They said, YES they did. And, I replied back that I too wanted them to know what's going on. They then said it wasn't required by policy. I said, I know. And, I kept sending the reports. I also gave updates in the staff meetings. It was added work for me. I didn't care. Nobody in admin could ever say they didn't know what was going on in my department. I had a few chuckles with my system too. I've had wardens call me and say, hey where is van such and such. The supervisors say it's not in the parking lot. My response was, boss you must not have read the email I sent out on it two days ago. LOL I always knew which admin read their emails, and which ones didn't. I always used main frame to send out the reports too, as it was easy to set up mass email lists for me on that especially the major, capt and lieutenants. I used regular agency internet email hardly ever. Only when I had to. I used my system in each of the departments I've worked in over the years.
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Post by bobothebeaten on Apr 9, 2016 15:38:28 GMT -5
Plausible deniability is the first rule taught in senior management training. If you tell management something they should know they become upset at being informed. They put pressure on staff not to tell them so that when the shit hits the fan they can say they didn't know. That way when the disciplinary hearing is conducted it's on the person who was afraid to tell management who is punished thus saving their own worthless butts. Plausible - superficially pleasing or able, but often specious; appearing worthy of disbelief. Deniability - the ability to deny something on the basis of being officially uniformed Yes, I know all about plausible deniability. That's why when I was a department head I always sent admin status reports on my department. I put a lot of info in writing, and sent it to multiple folks, so NOBODY could say they didn't know. I had an assistant warden ask me one time why I was sending department status reports to them. I asked them if they wanted to know what's going on in my department, and the unit. They said, YES they did. And, I replied back that I too wanted them to know what's going on. They then said it wasn't required by policy. I said, I know. And, I kept sending the reports. I also gave updates in the staff meetings. It was added work for me. I didn't care. Nobody in admin could ever say they didn't know what was going on in my department. I had a few chuckles with my system too. I've had wardens call me and say, hey where is van such and such. The supervisors say it's not in the parking lot. My response was, boss you must not have read the email I sent out on it two days ago. LOL I always knew which admin read their emails, and which ones didn't. I always used main frame to send out the reports too, as it was easy to set up mass email lists for me on that especially the major, capt and lieutenants. I used regular agency internet email hardly ever. Only when I had to. I used my system in each of the departments I've worked in over the years. I use to do the same thing that you did. Finally, a female department head told me that she was sick of getting my memorandums/e-mails and told me she was also sick of reading them. I told her I was trying to keep her informed, but if she didn't want to read them that was up to her. She gave me an order not to write her anything else and if I did she would take me to a hearing for disobeying a direct order. Things got pretty bad after that. If something happened she wanted to be able to say that she was never told. If you told her verbally she was the kind of person who would deny that you even told her. When I complained to management above her they said that I should follow her instructions. Bottom line is that they managed the same way.
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Post by mley1 on Apr 17, 2016 21:13:03 GMT -5
LOL, Bobo, I'm afraid your boss and I would have butt heads just like you and she did. I'd have kept sending the memo's.
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Post by crosstimbersokie on Apr 28, 2016 18:51:00 GMT -5
Yes, I know all about plausible deniability. That's why when I was a department head I always sent admin status reports on my department. I put a lot of info in writing, and sent it to multiple folks, so NOBODY could say they didn't know. I had an assistant warden ask me one time why I was sending department status reports to them. I asked them if they wanted to know what's going on in my department, and the unit. They said, YES they did. And, I replied back that I too wanted them to know what's going on. They then said it wasn't required by policy. I said, I know. And, I kept sending the reports. I also gave updates in the staff meetings. It was added work for me. I didn't care. Nobody in admin could ever say they didn't know what was going on in my department. I had a few chuckles with my system too. I've had wardens call me and say, hey where is van such and such. The supervisors say it's not in the parking lot. My response was, boss you must not have read the email I sent out on it two days ago. LOL I always knew which admin read their emails, and which ones didn't. I always used main frame to send out the reports too, as it was easy to set up mass email lists for me on that especially the major, capt and lieutenants. I used regular agency internet email hardly ever. Only when I had to. I used my system in each of the departments I've worked in over the years. I use to do the same thing that you did. Finally, a female department head told me that she was sick of getting my memorandums/e-mails and told me she was also sick of reading them. I told her I was trying to keep her informed, but if she didn't want to read them that was up to her. She gave me an order not to write her anything else and if I did she would take me to a hearing for disobeying a direct order. Things got pretty bad after that. If something happened she wanted to be able to say that she was never told. If you told her verbally she was the kind of person who would deny that you even told her. When I complained to management above her they said that I should follow her instructions. Bottom line is that they managed the same way. I would find someone up the chain-of-command to keep informed as a matter of self-defense. If they too didn't want to hear from me there is a board that oversees the agency. And I also have elected representatives.
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Post by hadituptoHERE on May 1, 2016 2:00:47 GMT -5
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Post by accussedsnitchgp11 on May 1, 2016 13:41:31 GMT -5
Rats always abandon a sinking ship....They ain't the only ones getting while the getting is good....Not like they can't be sued as an Individual.
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Post by accussedsnitchgp11 on Dec 23, 2016 4:09:09 GMT -5
SIR ever released ?
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Post by crosstimbersokie on Dec 28, 2016 8:18:18 GMT -5
Yes, I know all about plausible deniability. That's why when I was a department head I always sent admin status reports on my department. I put a lot of info in writing, and sent it to multiple folks, so NOBODY could say they didn't know. I had an assistant warden ask me one time why I was sending department status reports to them. I asked them if they wanted to know what's going on in my department, and the unit. They said, YES they did. And, I replied back that I too wanted them to know what's going on. They then said it wasn't required by policy. I said, I know. And, I kept sending the reports. I also gave updates in the staff meetings. It was added work for me. I didn't care. Nobody in admin could ever say they didn't know what was going on in my department. I had a few chuckles with my system too. I've had wardens call me and say, hey where is van such and such. The supervisors say it's not in the parking lot. My response was, boss you must not have read the email I sent out on it two days ago. LOL I always knew which admin read their emails, and which ones didn't. I always used main frame to send out the reports too, as it was easy to set up mass email lists for me on that especially the major, capt and lieutenants. I used regular agency internet email hardly ever. Only when I had to. I used my system in each of the departments I've worked in over the years. I use to do the same thing that you did. Finally, a female department head told me that she was sick of getting my memorandums/e-mails and told me she was also sick of reading them. I told her I was trying to keep her informed, but if she didn't want to read them that was up to her. She gave me an order not to write her anything else and if I did she would take me to a hearing for disobeying a direct order. Things got pretty bad after that. If something happened she wanted to be able to say that she was never told. If you told her verbally she was the kind of person who would deny that you even told her. When I complained to management above her they said that I should follow her instructions. Bottom line is that they managed the same way. Did you take her up on her offer?? Sounds to me like the perfect CYA. Administrative discipline for keeping your boss informed. How could they ever discipline you in the future for failure to report? Shit like this puts the reigns in the subordinate's hands. Which is where they belong it sounds like.
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Post by mley1 on Dec 28, 2016 11:21:42 GMT -5
I use to do the same thing that you did. Finally, a female department head told me that she was sick of getting my memorandums/e-mails and told me she was also sick of reading them. I told her I was trying to keep her informed, but if she didn't want to read them that was up to her. She gave me an order not to write her anything else and if I did she would take me to a hearing for disobeying a direct order. Things got pretty bad after that. If something happened she wanted to be able to say that she was never told. If you told her verbally she was the kind of person who would deny that you even told her. When I complained to management above her they said that I should follow her instructions. Bottom line is that they managed the same way. Did you take her up on her offer?? Sounds to me like the perfect CYA. Administrative discipline for keeping your boss informed. How could they ever discipline you in the future for failure to report? Shit like this puts the reigns in the subordinate's hands. Which is where they belong it sounds like. Yea, she'd have had to write me up, cause my reports would have kept coming to her. I don't back down when I'm right. That's gotten me into a few disagreements over the years.
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