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Post by accussedsnitchgp11 on Oct 23, 2016 0:58:18 GMT -5
Seems the New Senior Warden has decided to make your jobs easier. First Entry procedures....Getting in faster will boost morale... Being searched like an Offender is degrading Wise move reopening ECB Gate...Parking in main parking lot was a major issue..apparently not enough spots Second Not having to strip out Medium custody every single time they leave the pod..now just when they go out to rec yard. Will make Chow run so much faster and less b#tching from the Offenders What can possibly happen.... I can't see a rise in contraband in a few months I can't see Assualts on Offenders and Staff increasing (with weapons) anywhere but Rec Yards...We Know only Catch outs trying to get moved ever bring weapons to the Chow Halls. A quick pat will find it all....
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Post by mley1 on Oct 25, 2016 9:41:54 GMT -5
Seems the New Senior Warden has decided to make your jobs easier. We Know only Catch outs trying to get moved ever bring weapons to the Chow Halls. A quick pat will find it all.... Uh, a warden making things easy on CO's? Nothing is easy about the job we do. Good security is never easy. If you think catch outs are the only ones packing weapons to chow halls, think again. You will NEVER know who has a weapon, unless they are thoroughly searched. A quick pat? Oh lawd, here we go. Quick pats will get you killed. I guess folks now days have never seen the film of the Barfield/Massey killing. The film was taken on the Darrington unit. There were many assaults occuring, and killings, so admin had an officer with a camera at the dayroom, just in case. Each inmate was supposedly strip searched before going in. One problem, the officers didn't make the inmates give them their shorts. Instead, they allowed the inmates to simply run their hands around the waist band of the shorts, and shake them. Barfield had a shank taped to the inside of his thigh, coming from seg into a dayroom, and was searched. The boss missed the shank. Massey had a shank too. Although, he was too slow to get to it. Instead, Massey tried to run from Barfield in an attempt to get away from him. Barfield killed him in less than 58 seconds. Thats right, less than a minute Massey was dead. Let that sink in. Your life can be over in less than a minute, even WITH a search of an inmate. BTW, it wasn't a catch out move. Barfield was making his bones for the ABT. Massey had been labeled a snitch, and had to go. He was also ABT. Gang hits can occur, anywhere, anytime, by any inmate. And, they don't give a rats ass about you. They will shank you too if you get in the way. Response time for the incident was good. There were officers nearby. And, even though they responded quickly it wasn't quick enough. Complacency kills. Remember that folks.
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Post by crosstimbersokie on Oct 25, 2016 18:11:47 GMT -5
Does TDCJ allow officers to wear mechanic type gloves? They are the best things I've found for shakedowns and general wear. They provide enough protection to keep your skin intact, which is the real trick to protection against pathogens. And if you do have a break in the skin the gloves protect the bandage that covers it. They are thin enough that you have nearly the same amount of sensitivity to detect objects as a bare hand, and they can be washed or soaked in peroxide and sterilized when you get blood on them. I've worn the things daily for about 13 years and there's nothing better. And they are great for just all the things you simply don't want to touch in a prison besides thug underwear and bleeding corpses.
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Post by accussedsnitchgp11 on Oct 25, 2016 22:58:34 GMT -5
Seems the New Senior Warden has decided to make your jobs easier. We Know only Catch outs trying to get moved ever bring weapons to the Chow Halls. A quick pat will find it all.... Uh, a warden making things easy on CO's? Nothing is easy about the job we do. Good security is never easy. If you think catch outs are the only ones packing weapons to chow halls, think again. You will NEVER know who has a weapon, unless they are thoroughly searched. A quick pat? Oh lawd, here we go. Quick pats will get you killed. I guess folks now days have never seen the film of the Barfield/Massey killing. The film was taken on the Darrington unit. There were many assaults occuring, and killings, so admin had an officer with a camera at the dayroom, just in case. Each inmate was supposedly strip searched before going in. One problem, the officers didn't make the inmates give them their shorts. Instead, they allowed the inmates to simply run their hands around the waist band of the shorts, and shake them. Barfield had a shank taped to the inside of his thigh, coming from seg into a dayroom, and was searched. The boss missed the shank. Massey had a shank too. Although, he was too slow to get to it. Instead, Massey tried to run from Barfield in an attempt to get away from him. Barfield killed him in less than 58 seconds. Thats right, less than a minute Massey was dead. Let that sink in. Your life can be over in less than a minute, even WITH a search of an inmate. BTW, it wasn't a catch out move. Barfield was making his bones for the ABT. Massey had been labeled a snitch, and had to go. He was also ABT. Gang hits can occur, anywhere, anytime, by any inmate. And, they don't give a rats ass about you. They will shank you too if you get in the way. Response time for the incident was good. There were officers nearby. And, even though they responded quickly it wasn't quick enough. Complacency kills. Remember that folks. You win a cookie......I think you could read the sarcasm in my posting.... Two officers dead within a year,s span for the sake of Staffing and get'er done attitude...Who will be next? TDCJ has a safety issue because to many have not "lived" the rocking and rolling of the old days..Unfortunately for the safety of those who still walk the runs...people won't care until they start living it...then like a deer caught in the head lights of a Mack Truck...wham..to late
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Post by accussedsnitchgp11 on Oct 25, 2016 23:00:22 GMT -5
Does TDCJ allow officers to wear mechanic type gloves? They are the best things I've found for shakedowns and general wear. They provide enough protection to keep your skin intact, which is the real trick to protection against pathogens. And if you do have a break in the skin the gloves protect the bandage that covers it. They are thin enough that you have nearly the same amount of sensitivity to detect objects as a bare hand, and they can be washed or soaked in peroxide and sterilized when you get blood on them. I've worn the things daily for about 13 years and there's nothing better. And they are great for just all the things you simply don't want to touch in a prison besides thug underwear and bleeding corpses. yes you can...
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Post by mley1 on Oct 26, 2016 11:48:35 GMT -5
Snitch, you have that sense of sarcasm lost to most. I just figured I'd feed into it. lol
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Post by mley1 on Oct 26, 2016 11:55:41 GMT -5
You know, the rookies we have now days aren't getting the info or training to deal with some real life or death situations. When a convict comes at you with an edged weapon you had better be ready to fight for your life, and not stop until the convict is neutralized, and the threat is gone. When it happens, it happens quick. You better be ready. You can't be meek or mild. You MUST meet violence, with a greater force of VIOLENCE. Yes, I said it. YOU MUST GET VIOLENT to save your own life. Do NOT be afraid to hurt the inmate. If you don't hurt him, he'll hurt or kill you. Evil is kept at bay by good men(and women) willing to do violence upon the evil. If you aren't willing to do that, you may be in the wrong business. It may not happen today, next week, or next year, but someday a convict may decide to try and kill you. To stay alive you WILL need to meet force with greater force. Bank on it.
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Post by crosstimbersokie on Oct 26, 2016 13:26:34 GMT -5
Back in 2003 when USP Leavenworth was out of control the warden purchased every officer their own three c-cell Maglight and if you were not carrying it he wanted to know why. He always said that we were the only Department of Justice agency that ran to knife fights barehanded and the Maglights were the best he could do to fix it.
There's a very good reason cops carried Maglights for decades. Thugs fear them, even dunks and dirtbags armed with some piece of metal they managed to put a dull edge on.
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Post by mley1 on Oct 26, 2016 22:50:47 GMT -5
Back in 2003 when USP Leavenworth was out of control the warden purchased every officer their own three c-cell Maglight and if you were not carrying it he wanted to know why. He always said that we were the only Department of Justice agency that ran to knife fights barehanded and the Maglights were the best he could do to fix it. There's a very good reason cops carried Maglights for decades. Thugs fear them, even dunks and dirtbags armed with some piece of metal they managed to put a dull edge on. I still have a couple of my old Maglights. One in particular has teeth marks on it from my sheriff department days. The D cell ones were pretty heavy, and could really put a solid strike on an assailant. At night, interviewing a perp I always had lights on a perps face, if he became aggressive the first thing to happen was the flashlight was coming down on his head. Usually, fight was over quick. I didn't carry a taser, or chemical agents on me back then. I just carried duty weapon, mags for duty weapon, back up weapon and spare mag, pens, knife, and my Maglight. After about a year in the dept I went through ASP baton training, and began carrying an ASP. Even with that, at night I still always had my trusty Maglight in my hand as I talked with someone. They came in very handy.
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Post by accussedsnitchgp11 on Oct 26, 2016 23:51:53 GMT -5
You know, the rookies we have now days aren't getting the info or training to deal with some real life or death situations. When a convict comes at you with an edged weapon you had better be ready to fight for your life, and not stop until the convict is neutralized, and the threat is gone. When it happens, it happens quick. You better be ready. You can't be meek or mild. You MUST meet violence, with a greater force of VIOLENCE. Yes, I said it. YOU MUST GET VIOLENT to save your own life. Do NOT be afraid to hurt the inmate. If you don't hurt him, he'll hurt or kill you. Evil is kept at bay by good men(and women) willing to do violence upon the evil. If you aren't willing to do that, you may be in the wrong business. It may not happen today, next week, or next year, but someday a convict may decide to try and kill you. To stay alive you WILL need to meet force with greater force. Bank on it. When I got assualted and was bleeding all over I told them to wheel me by the New Boots...They said "No" they didn't want to scare off any more that day..They had 3 quit. Including the one that was in the picket when it went down..He was suppose to be on the floor with me...but he was shaking in his boots the Minute he walked onto the Pod... They want to make it seem that everything is always Kosher and Hunkie Dorie all the Time.....and can't understand why people wet theirselves and quit when It goes to hell in a hand basket.
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Post by crosstimbersokie on Oct 27, 2016 12:28:47 GMT -5
Back in 2003 when USP Leavenworth was out of control the warden purchased every officer their own three c-cell Maglight and if you were not carrying it he wanted to know why. He always said that we were the only Department of Justice agency that ran to knife fights barehanded and the Maglights were the best he could do to fix it. There's a very good reason cops carried Maglights for decades. Thugs fear them, even dunks and dirtbags armed with some piece of metal they managed to put a dull edge on. I still have a couple of my old Maglights. One in particular has teeth marks on it from my sheriff department days. The D cell ones were pretty heavy, and could really put a solid strike on an assailant. At night, interviewing a perp I always had lights on a perps face, if he became aggressive the first thing to happen was the flashlight was coming down on his head. Usually, fight was over quick. I didn't carry a taser, or chemical agents on me back then. I just carried duty weapon, mags for duty weapon, back up weapon and spare mag, pens, knife, and my Maglight. After about a year in the dept I went through ASP baton training, and began carrying an ASP. Even with that, at night I still always had my trusty Maglight in my hand as I talked with someone. They came in very handy. Every federal institution has three d-cell Maglights that anyone can chit out from Control Center. But we found that yes you can crush things with a three d-cell light, and I've knocked cell windows out with them; you can swing a four c-cell Maglight much faster and faster is what you need more than bone crushing ability when under assault. It's hard to hit a fast moving target like a skull with a three d-cell. A four c-cell swings much faster and it's the same length as a three d-cell. The downside is we had to buy our own batteries because the BOP only buys d-cell.
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Post by mley1 on Oct 27, 2016 23:33:19 GMT -5
I still have a couple of my old Maglights. One in particular has teeth marks on it from my sheriff department days. The D cell ones were pretty heavy, and could really put a solid strike on an assailant. At night, interviewing a perp I always had lights on a perps face, if he became aggressive the first thing to happen was the flashlight was coming down on his head. Usually, fight was over quick. I didn't carry a taser, or chemical agents on me back then. I just carried duty weapon, mags for duty weapon, back up weapon and spare mag, pens, knife, and my Maglight. After about a year in the dept I went through ASP baton training, and began carrying an ASP. Even with that, at night I still always had my trusty Maglight in my hand as I talked with someone. They came in very handy. Every federal institution has three d-cell Maglights that anyone can chit out from Control Center. But we found that yes you can crush things with a three d-cell light, and I've knocked cell windows out with them; you can swing a four c-cell Maglight much faster and faster is what you need more than bone crushing ability when under assault. It's hard to hit a fast moving target like a skull with a three d-cell. A four c-cell swings much faster and it's the same length as a three d-cell. The downside is we had to buy our own batteries because the BOP only buys d-cell. LOL, I like the way you think. Over the years, as UOF policy became more strict, my flashlights got smaller and smaller. Now, I carry a very small, single AAA cell, LED light made from good solid aluminum. It's pretty bright, but the only thing I could possibly break with it is a fingernail. LMBO!
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Post by crosstimbersokie on Oct 28, 2016 16:30:07 GMT -5
Last summer the BOP finally authorized OC, decades after everyone else. But Maglights are still available and authorized. Same impact weapon principles apply as with a riot baton.
Incidentally, a 4 c-cell Maglight will knock a cell window out too by pulling it out of the holder by the lamp end and giving it a quick wrist pivot. As all shooters know, a high enough velocity provides as much penetration as more mass.
Incidentally, you can't get away with knocking out cell windows everywhere nowadays. That only works in certain prisons with their own unique cultures. I suspect that TDCJ is too standardized and tightly regulated for it. The feds however vary widely depending on the geographic area and local attitudes and federal law and agency policy is generally broad enough to accommodate them all.
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Post by mley1 on Oct 29, 2016 10:42:44 GMT -5
Incidentally, you can't get away with knocking out cell windows everywhere nowadays. That only works in certain prisons with their own unique cultures. I suspect that TDCJ is too standardized and tightly regulated for it. The feds however vary widely depending on the geographic area and local attitudes and federal law and agency policy is generally broad enough to accommodate them all. You know, I've said this a lot over the years. You can justify ANYTHING, as long as you have a good command of the English language and know what to write. In 34yrs of corrections and law enforcement experience I've had many, many, uses of force. Not once have I ever been disciplined for any of them, not once.(knock on wood) There were a bunch of times I thought to myself aw shit, this is gonna go to hell quick. And, sometimes it did. You just have to know how and what to write. Then, you have to stick to it. Do NOT ever change your statement, ever. I can't count the number of times I've seen staff disciplined on a legitimate UOF only because they changed their statement, and admin thought they were lying. I've also seen staff disciplined on a legitimate UOF simply because they didn't know how to word their statement, and wrote the wrong thing. Ya gotta learn, and know what to write, and how to write it. Here's the thing that pisses me off now days about UOF in TDCJ. Admin will write you up for silly shit. Things like not having the convict run their fingers through their hair during the strip search will get you a write up. That's total bullshit. Also, God help you if you have a lieutenant that doesn't have a clue about UOF. I've had one of those before. During a UOF one time this LT responded to a fight, where COP had been deployed making it a UOF, and failed to use a camera during the escort of one offender. To top it off the LT escorted that offender by herself and unrestrained. I was a B responder at the time. When the LT passed me I stopped them, advised them of the possible issues I saw. I was trying to help the LT stay out of trouble. I got sneered at, and told they were the LT and would handle it. OK, rock on wit yer bad self. Well, needless to say, that FORMER LT is now a CO on another facility. I hear it all the time from CO's. Don't touch an inmate. Don't use force on an inmate. You'll get into trouble every time. BULLSHIT!! Never be afraid to use force. Just BE JUSTIFIED. Follow the steps, and POLICY. If you do that, and document it properly you WON'T get into trouble. I'm living proof of that. I can't count the number of UOF I've had over the years.
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Post by crosstimbersokie on Oct 29, 2016 18:28:02 GMT -5
I hear it all the time from CO's. Don't touch an inmate. Don't use force on an inmate. You'll get into trouble every time. They are getting that from somewhere. The academy or supervisors on the shift.There was a time in the mid 1990s when we got the same message in the feds. To the point that people were afraid to even defend themselves if an inmate attacked them. Which is why I knew that the Kenneth Trentadue controversy www.kennethtrentadue.com/ was bullshit having known many of the people who were there that night. That asshole simply threw a fit and miscalculated. A classic case of suicide manipulation gone bad. In the early 2000s at USP Leavenworth, KS the Captain, who is the equivalent of a Major in TDCJ, told tower officers during annual training that if they ever shot an inmate he would see to it that they were prosecuted. This is the very cocksucker who put these guys into gun towers with M-16s and shotguns, and written directives on when to use deadly force, promising to prosecute them if they followed his own written instructions. It's nice to see that it's not only the feds who are ruled by Crazy. I have to say though, since all of the Baby Boomers aged out a few years ago (mandatory retirement at age 57), the quality of management has noticeably improved. All of that drug use in the '60s & '70s and all of the crazy preached on college ampuses really took its toll on the agency throughout the 1990s.
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