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Post by It is what it is on Jan 2, 2017 23:46:33 GMT -5
Anyone out there working with a bunch of people who know it all. You know the ones who really shouldn't still have their job but do because they know some one, hunt with someone, or what ever the case is. It doesn't seem to stop at one region or another its everywhere. It's hard to keep your head up when you have all the drama that goes on at a unit. Lets be honest full grown adults in grey can act like teenagers, while the ones in white are much worse. The ones in grey fight bicker and tell rumors about each other from the moment a new boot walks in. But when you see the blame game going on it pisses you off. I am sick of seeing people mess up and blame it on the low guy on the totem pole and they all know it wasn't their fault. But because the low man gets told its a loyalty thing they take the write up or what have you. The work environment has not changed and will not any time soon. In the past it was supposedly like family. But now its like the lines at middle school. People click up. People spread out. The team work seems to fall by the wayside most days. The heat and hostile work area is no help. Once I started to promote ladies were upset that I promoted, I have a degree and I earned my promotion. Then once they accepted that it got better. Then the real issues you don't get told about behind the scenes happen. The blame game. Upper people not taking the responsibility for their own mistakes while lower ones take the blame just cause its a loyalty thing. Well Not me. My file will have a trail of its own. If the mess up is not mine I will not own it. This makes people upset to well oh well. Ok I vented and this is only the tip of the iceberg.
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Post by mley1 on Jan 3, 2017 9:09:21 GMT -5
There's a difference between being loyal, and being stupid. One thing I NEVER did was go for the okeydoke. I wasn't going to fade anybody's heat but my own. The only exception I ever made was with staff under me. If I gave an order, and the boss followed my order, I'd stand with the bossman and fade whatever heat came from it. Loyalty flows in both directions. Any supervisor who wants you to fade their heat for them is a coward in my opinion. They have no nuts. I've seen a few of those nutless wonders in my career. Another term for those kind of folks is Chickenshit assholes.
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Post by accussedsnitchgp11 on Jan 18, 2017 9:32:12 GMT -5
yeppppppp... your either one of them or not.... otherwise your a disgruntled screw up been that way since the crack of TDCJ.... only about 2% of officers care these days to do thier jobs
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Post by mw6337 on Feb 26, 2017 16:57:46 GMT -5
Saw firsthand a sgt falsify a statement to make a major case stick. The sgt was backed up by other staff. Good solidarity but not an ounce of integrity displayed by the whole lot. I do not have much respect for liars. I guess that's the norm for some in this career field. I plan to retain my own integrity while I work here.
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Post by accussedsnitchgp11 on Feb 27, 2017 20:51:50 GMT -5
Saw firsthand a sgt falsify a statement to make a major case stick. The sgt was backed up by other staff. Good solidarity but not an ounce of integrity displayed by the whole lot. I do not have much respect for liars. I guess that's the norm for some in this career field. I plan to retain my own integrity while I work here. good luck with that... gonna be a new name on the sh$tlist
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Post by It's Me! on Mar 1, 2017 7:59:57 GMT -5
Saw firsthand a sgt falsify a statement to make a major case stick. The sgt was backed up by other staff. Good solidarity but not an ounce of integrity displayed by the whole lot. I do not have much respect for liars. I guess that's the norm for some in this career field. I plan to retain my own integrity while I work here. good luck with that... gonna be a new name on the sh$tlist Well, I know you mean well, but the system is just designed to work that way. Sure, many officers retain their integrity, and it is the honorable thing to do. But things are just such, that in order to maintain the upper hand against the thieves, you just can't always tell the truth. The I/M's have to know and understand that you can, and will, make a case stick. And so do your fellow officers. It matters of course, just what the case is all about. I would never condone such activity if it were going to effect the inmates visitation (getting moved from GP to HS), as that adversely affects the family, but if he has to lose some rec, gets a little extra duty, miss commissary for a while, even missing visits on a short term basis, well it has to be done to maintain the upper hand. I am sorry, but the system is just such that you do what you have to do. Just remember with whom you are dealing.
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Post by mley1 on Mar 1, 2017 11:46:43 GMT -5
good luck with that... gonna be a new name on the sh$tlist Well, I know you mean well, but the system is just designed to work that way. Sure, many officers retain their integrity, and it is the honorable thing to do. But things are just such, that in order to maintain the upper hand against the thieves, you just can't always tell the truth. The I/M's have to know and understand that you can, and will, make a case stick. And so do your fellow officers. It matters of course, just what the case is all about. I would never condone such activity if it were going to effect the inmates visitation (getting moved from GP to HS), as that adversely affects the family, but if he has to lose some rec, gets a little extra duty, miss commissary for a while, even missing visits on a short term basis, well it has to be done to maintain the upper hand. I am sorry, but the system is just such that you do what you have to do. Just remember with whom you are dealing. Lie to make a case stick? Really? Let me tell all of you something. If you want to put a case on a convict, it's easy to find them screwing up legitimately. I guarantee you that on any unit in the agency you can go into an inmates living area and find some form of contraband. Possession of contraband is the easiest case to find and write. You do NOT have to lie. In 34yrs of corrections I've never had to lie on a convict to put a case on them. Managing inmates is not rocket science folks. Your integrity is important. Your WORD is your bond. Honesty is IMPORTANT. Lying for any reason is a very bad habit to get into. Don't do it. Here's something to think about. If a convict pisses you off bad enough to LIE in order to make a case stick against him, the convict BEAT YOU. That's right. He BEAT YOU. YOU lost your cool enough to jeopardize your integrity and honesty. And, let me tell you something. Once you've lost your integrity, its damn hard to get it back. Don't do it.
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Post by bobothebeaten on Mar 1, 2017 12:53:22 GMT -5
Well, I know you mean well, but the system is just designed to work that way. Sure, many officers retain their integrity, and it is the honorable thing to do. But things are just such, that in order to maintain the upper hand against the thieves, you just can't always tell the truth. The I/M's have to know and understand that you can, and will, make a case stick. And so do your fellow officers. It matters of course, just what the case is all about. I would never condone such activity if it were going to effect the inmates visitation (getting moved from GP to HS), as that adversely affects the family, but if he has to lose some rec, gets a little extra duty, miss commissary for a while, even missing visits on a short term basis, well it has to be done to maintain the upper hand. I am sorry, but the system is just such that you do what you have to do. Just remember with whom you are dealing. Lie to make a case stick? Really? Let me tell all of you something. If you want to put a case on a convict, it's easy to find them screwing up legitimately. I guarantee you that on any unit in the agency you can go into an inmates living area and find some form of contraband. Possession of contraband is the easiest case to find and write. You do NOT have to lie. In 34yrs of corrections I've never had to lie on a convict to put a case on them. Managing inmates is not rocket science folks. Your integrity is important. Your WORD is your bond. Honesty is IMPORTANT. Lying for any reason is a very bad habit to get into. Don't do it. Here's something to think about. If a convict pisses you off bad enough to LIE in order to make a case stick against him, the convict BEAT YOU. That's right. He BEAT YOU. YOU lost your cool enough to jeopardize your integrity and honesty. And, let me tell you something. Once you've lost your integrity, its damn hard to get it back. Don't do it. Good advice Marty. Always do the right thing. Convicts are always watching and once they know that you'll lie then they know that you can be corrupted.
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Post by accussedsnitchgp11 on Mar 1, 2017 20:43:32 GMT -5
good luck with that... gonna be a new name on the sh$tlist Well, I know you mean well, but the system is just designed to work that way. Sure, many officers retain their integrity, and it is the honorable thing to do. But things are just such, that in order to maintain the upper hand against the thieves, you just can't always tell the truth. The I/M's have to know and understand that you can, and will, make a case stick. And so do your fellow officers. It matters of course, just what the case is all about. I would never condone such activity if it were going to effect the inmates visitation (getting moved from GP to HS), as that adversely affects the family, but if he has to lose some rec, gets a little extra duty, miss commissary for a while, even missing visits on a short term basis, well it has to be done to maintain the upper hand. I am sorry, but the system is just such that you do what you have to do. Just remember with whom you are dealing. Bull Sh$T.....If you have to lie to get a Case to stick your so full TDCJ Brainwash Koolaid and don't deserve a JOB. Open your eyes there are plenty of Legitiment cases without having to lie...To much trash, Improperly stored Commissary, Not being properly dressed in the Dayroom, To Much Clutter on the Walls of Cells, Not getting up and presenting an ID during Roster Count, Not being seated in the Dayroom, Hooch, trafficking and trading. If you can't see that kinda stuff your either Stevie Wonder, Ray Charles or Helen Keller. In My Time out at Allred....I never had to lie. And When it came down to it....The Offenders would plead guilty when they found out I wrote a case when read to them by Council Substitute...They Stated If Officer Stoddar wrote it, I derserved it. Many Times they requested that I attend their Disciplinary hearing simply so they could apologize to me in front of DHO. I never wrote cases for a Supervisor who got po'd at an Offender nor did I ever write a case for an Unwitnessed event.
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